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December 4, 2009

They Want to Shut You Up

The only people in this world who aren’t hypocrites are the ones without any standards.  If you have no standards to uphold, you have no standards from which to fall short.   That’s why christians and supporters of traditional values are so often accused of being hypocrites–because they HAVE values from which to fall short.  The same is rarely true of their detractors.  For obvious reasons.

But check this out:

Catch that?  In the deranged thinking promoted by the likes of Joy Behar, pro golfer and otherwise good guy Tiger Woods gets our props.  He gets our PROPS.  And why?  Essentially because at least he wasn’t someone who promoted traditional values.


First of all, as if the act of supporting/promoting traditional values is somehow “holding oneself up” as better than others.  That is patently false.  This is projection, and probably a guilty conscience speaking.  What’s more, to the likes of Joy Behar, the act of supporting traditional values becomes the crime itself when the standard isn’t met.  This kind of thinking is as deranged as it is common among the secular Left.  And what’s sad is that it makes absolutely perfect sense to them.  You aren’t going to dissuade them.  There’s too much agenda involved.  But hey, at least they will never be guilty of hypocrisy!  And for obvious reasons.

So what’s behind this?  They just want you to shut your pie hole.  That’s it.  End of story.


  1. I’m trying to figure out how Joy Behar became the emblem for the Left. She is, after all, a professional comic.

    Somewhere in all of that was a point, I think, that integrity, fidelity, and hypocrisy are different things. So, while Mr. Woods may have shown a lack of integrity and fidelity, he, at least, is saved from the sin of hypocrisy. I’m not sure anyone’s point came through in that exchange.

    Comment by LawGirl — December 4, 2009 @ 13:00

  2. How about we use the standard that Jesus set forth? I don’t have the reference memorized, but wasn’t it something about taking the mote out of our eyes before trying to take the log out of someone else’s. That goes for snarky Conservative bloggists as well as snarky Liberal comics.

    Reacting to your snarkiness aside, I’ll rephrase my statement: Who is it, exactly, who thinks that Joy Behar is an authoritative spokesperson for the Progressives in this country? I like her sense of humor, but I’ve always found her political statements to be too strident. They are too ready for prime-time, if you know what I mean. And, since I know her value system isn’t reflective of mine, her politics aren’t authoritative at all to me.

    Comment by LawGirl — December 3, 2009 @ 23:54

  3. This blog always agrees with Jesus 100% of the time. That’s why the mote in Tiger’s eye isn’t the issue here. In fact, even Joy Behar isn’t the issue here. It’s the strategy used by the likes of Behar and the deranged logic behind it that is the issue here. I don’t judge individuals, and standing up for certain values does not mean you are judging individuals. That is a false premise, and that’s what I’m calling out with the post. A pleasure as always, Lawgirl.

    Comment by Jesusland — December 4, 2009 @ 11:18

  4. Lawgirl, I thinks its entirely fitting that a comic would be emblematic of the Left.

    They feel joy, not sadness, when someone falls short of their standard. That speaks volumes, doesn’t it?

    Perhaps they only want the sinless to speak on morality. And since nobody is sinless…

    Comment by Jesusland — December 4, 2009 @ 13:19

  5. Okay, your issue is with the methodology, rather than the content. IOf course, Progressives don’t have the market on rudeness, monopolizing, or wanting their perspectives to be heard at the exclusion of others.

    I suppose, then, that I can look forward to seeing similar clips and comments from the Conservatives who, with varying frequency, use similar tactics? (i.e., O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Savage, Limbaugh, etc.)

    Comment by LawGirl — December 4, 2009 @ 14:42

  6. Lawgirl,

    the tactic as well as the goal. But it goes way beyond mere rudeness. Rudeness I can live with. Nobody has a monopoly on that. This goes way further. The strategy employed by the likes of Behar is to create an environment where only the sinless are allowed to speak out in favor of upholding traditional morality, and since nobody is sinless…you figure out the rest. What they want is to create a moral vaacuum where they can decide what morality is because nobody else will dare to.

    But if you keep your big mouth shut (like Tiger did) then Behar will give you a pass. Because that’s all she really wants– for us to keep our big mouths shut.

    Comment by Jesusland — December 4, 2009 @ 15:51

  7. I don’t accept your premise that the sole motivation for that behavior is to create a moral vacuum. And, even if I did accept your premise, the 1 clip you posted supports the extension that you are making. I’m back to my original statement here — I don’t think that Ms. Behar was saying you can’t ever make a moral statement. I think that she was drawing a distinction between lack of integrity and hypocrisy. In fact, she actually said “I am talking about hypocrisy.” Each time I watch it, I see Elizabeth and Sherri take exception at what Joy says and interrupt her repeatedly. I didn’t hear Joy say that she approved of Tiger Woods’ behavior. What I got out of what she said was that while he might be unfaithful to his wife, at least he isn’t a hypocrite because he hasn’t made a habit of commenting on and judging other people’s infidelities.

    I think that the distinction between lack of integrity and hypocrisy is one worth commenting on. I happen to agree with her.

    But, there’s my real problem with your comment: how do you “speak out in favor of upholding traditional morality” without being judgmental? In my experience, the former is almost always accompanied by the latter. Because no one is without sin, however, being judgmental is frought with the potential for hypocrisy. People so often go beyond “this is what I believe” to “you are wrong / evil / lesser than / damned / less than an unbeliever” because you don’t share my beliefs.” I don’t see a movement towards “let them without sin make the first moral comment.” What I see is a movement towards “We all screw up; let’s be careful how we throw those judgmental statements around.”

    Here’s something else I don’t understand: why is it so important to you that people make moral statements (and the judgments that seem to always follow)?

    Comment by LawGirl — December 4, 2009 @ 21:25

  8. Lawgirl,
    you don’t accept my premise because as a good Liberal Christian you’re still caught up in the struggles of the 60s and 70s, not yet realizing just where the battle lines are today. True, you could also accuse me of being a paranoid extremist (and I have actually considered that on plenty of occasions! LOL), but the examples of what I’m talking about are far too numerous and diverse to be dismissed.

    More to your point, I was also going to say that everybody hates hypocrisy, but then that isn’t quite true, is it? Because when some conservative preacher gets caught violating some of his own teachings, he is expected to step down. And he does step down. And Joy Behar screams victory! But when Al Gore is caught flying Learjets and living in homes with carbon footprints 20 times the national average he is given a Nobel prize. Do you see how conservatives—even though we are sometimes guilty of hypocrisy—actually hate this hypocrisy more than the Left does? That is the difference between values vs relativism. Everybody wants to win, but the relativist has no rules.

    So no, hypocrisy isn’t really Joy Behar’s deal here. Her deal is catching people in hypocrisy only if it concerns the issues we’ve been talking about—traditional morality and values. Because she DESPISES traditional values and morality, not hypocrisy.

    It is important to speak out on these issues because there is no other way to counter the lock that the culture destroyers have on the media, academia, and entertainent. They are bombarding society with their anti-West, anti-judeochristian messages, and we’ve been sitting on the sidelines for far too long. We are now in a resistance war against this Matrix.

    Comment by Jesusland — December 5, 2009 @ 09:46

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