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March 3, 2010

PC Collapse: Five European states back burka ban

Here the SecProgs see "diversity". Christian homeschooling meanwhile is "insularity."

7th century time warp not welcome here, say Europeans.

More than half of voters in four other major European states back a push by France’s Nicolas Sarkozy to ban women from wearing the burka, according to an opinion poll for the Financial Times.  As Mr Sarkozy presses ahead with plans to ban the wearing of the burka in public places, the FT’s latest Harris poll shows the move is not just strongly supported in France, but wins enthusiastic backing in the UK, Italy, Spain and Germany.

The poll shows some 70 per cent of respondents in France said they supported plans to forbid the wearing of the garment which covers the female body from head to toe. There was similar sentiment in Spain and Italy, where 65 per cent and 63 per cent respectively favoured a ban

The strength of feeling in the UK and Germany may seem particularly surprising.  Britain has a strong liberal tradition that respects an individual’s right to full expression of religious views.  But here, some 57 per cent of people still favoured a ban. In Germany, which is also reluctant to clamp down in minority rights, some 50 per cent favoured a ban.

“This poll shows that the number of people in France opposed to the burka is going up and that is the product of debate on burka and national identity, said Professor Patrick Weil, an expert on national identity at the University of Paris-Sorbonne. “But the figure is clearly going up in other countries in Europe like the UK as well, and that reflects the growing concern that there is about this issue in some parts of Europe.”

Asked if they would support the burka ban if it were accompanied by a clampdown on wearing all religious icons such as the Christian crucifix and the Jewish cappel, only 22 per cent of French people said they supported such a move. In Britain, just 9 per cent of people said they would back such a move.

Read the rest, here.

Note the attempt to link the burqa with the Christian crucifix, which to the SecProgs (in all their glorious nuance and subtlety) are both equivalent and should be lumped together.  But the public is having none of it!  CCHQ endorses the burqa ban because–just as Islam is not compatible with Western democracy– hiding women under a black sheet simply isn’t compatible with Western values.  Sorry, it’s not.  It promotes “sectarian insularity.” (right back at you, leftards).  The burqa isn’t even Koranic for crying out loud, it’s just an extreme form of cultural Islam that we don’t welcome here in the West.  When you come to our house you adapt to our ways.  If you can’t do that, don’t come at all.  Your choice.


  1. for crying out loud: remember all of the women activists protesting the use of the burqa before the Afghan war … this should be a no brainer and definitely serves as a litmus test.

    Comment by paleocon — March 3, 2010 @ 09:51

  2. I honestly don’t remember any women activists ever protesting the burqa. Though I have seen them comment quietly about it. And the reason they were so low key about it is because they were afraid of giving “Bush” and the “racists” of the “christian Right” any aid and comfort. But now that Bush is gone though, the pattern of tolerance for this garbage has been established. It’s become normative to them.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 10:25

  3. Well don’t you think it’s important to find out if there was a protest against the burqa by women activists before you launch into: “And the reason they were so low key about it is because they were afraid of giving “Bush” and the “racists” of the “christian Right” any aid and comfort. But now that Bush is gone though, the pattern of tolerance for this garbage has been established. It’s become normative to them.”

    Comment by paleocon — March 3, 2010 @ 14:08

  4. Here’s somewhere to start

    Step 1: Ash Bush to Help

    Comment by paleocon — March 3, 2010 @ 14:34

  5. Is it my job to actively seek to try and exonerrate my foes by looking for some exception to what I know is the rule? Is that the standard you hold all sides to? It should suffice that I won’t say anything about them I don’t honestly believe to be true. The Left has never had any problem being heard when they want to be. And I’ve never seen or heard of a Leftwing protest against muslim female oppression. Even their online discussions about it are inconclusive, with much of the usual apologies for “culture” that you’d expect from these relativists and Islam apologists. That fact that to them Sarkozi is just a French version of “Bush” only makes the push against the burqa that much more conflictive to them.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 14:35

  6. Don’t you think it’s the job of this site to not mis-characterize?

    Isn’t that the problem we have with so called mainstream media?

    Shouldn’t social media be a place where some semblance of journalistic integrity –no less intellectual integrity– be recovered?

    If all a counter insurgency is good for is dishing more polemics at straw targets then it is part of the same problem as far as i’m concerned.

    Comment by paleocon — March 3, 2010 @ 14:41

  7. Well, that kind of blunts my argument! lol.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 14:44

  8. paleo,

    I know you think I’m a raging firebrand, but I try to calibrate my blows more than you think I do. For example I granted to them their opposition to the burqa, but that it’s quiet and low key. And that’s precisely what it is. Quiet, low key and hesitant. They are as bound by their own PC as anybody else is.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 14:52

  9. ps., and they can be quiet and low key because they know we racists on the Right will always do the heavy lifting and take all the heat for them.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 14:55

  10. Don’t get me wrong, i value your input and insight. I just think that where there are lines we can draw together as Western (i.e. the value of a Woman to not have to wear heavy cloth from head to toe or mutilate her sexual organs as in some african tribes) then we should draw them as ‘Western’ not just conservative or Liberal. One point to made is that we have this debate because we are Western –whether they like to think it or not– and so any chance there is to show that there is agreement as ‘Western’ we should.

    I want to make sure those commonalities aren’t lost.

    Comment by paleocon — March 3, 2010 @ 15:03

  11. That’s fine bra. I want you to keep me honest. I just don’t think the cultural relativists believe in “Western” anymore.

    Comment by Jesusland — March 3, 2010 @ 15:09

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