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August 17, 2010

Why it’s called the “Ground Zero” Mosque

Ground Zero

Why do we call it the “Ground Zero” Mosque, you ask?  This is why:

On Sept. 11, the landing gear assembly of one of the planes used in the attack crashed through the roof of what was then a Burlington Coat Factory.

This 72 virgins deal is not a Western construct.  It is the real Islamic deal.  What would happen if from Mecca or Medina, or from Al-Azhar University in Cairo, or if 90% of the world’s imams declared that if you engage in terrorist acts in the name of Islam you go to hell?  What effect would that have?  This is the opposite message being preached by Al-Qaida.  What do you think would happen?  This isn’t something raised in polite discourse about Islam.  They instead prefer meaningless platitudes like not all Muslims are terrorists.  Really?  Gee, thanks for the heads up!  The issue is not whether there are bad people in your group.  Every group has bad people!  But the way you asses the moral nature of a particular group is how does that group respond to the bad people within their group. The Ground Zero mosque iman favors sharia law in America and can’t condemn Hamas or terrorism because it is a “complex subject.”  And this is the man who will lead American Islam in an interfaith dialogue?  That is nausea-inducing to me.

23 Comments »

  1. Al-Qaeda Operative Says Ground Zero Mosque “Terrible” Location for Recruitment
    http://wp.me/pIP1s-5w

    Comment by ajay — August 17, 2010 @ 15:11

  2. Thanks, Ajay. As a victory symbol for Islam, the Ground Zero mosque wouldn’t be recruiting agents on location, but inspiring hundreds of thousands of potential jihadists all over the Muslim world for decades to come, if not centuries to come.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 22, 2010 @ 20:32

  3. actually, what would be a great recruiting tool for al-qaeda is for them to point to disenfranchised Muslims in America and argue that Americans will always treat Muslims with a different set of rules than everyone else. Who else in American can Gingrich compare to Nazis with impunity. that is your recruitment argument.

    Comment by ajay — August 22, 2010 @ 23:44

  4. In other words we can’t win for losing. I agree! So let’s stop trying to do stuff to try and please Al Qaida. It ain’t going to work.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 00:10

  5. So let’s stop trying to do stuff to try and please Al Qaida.

    Excellent idea! Given how much this blog post of yours will please al-Qaida, does that mean you’re going to post a retraction, or just take it down?

    Though if you intend to continue kow-towing to al-Qaida and trying to please them:

    As a victory symbol for al-Qaida, you can’t get much better than declaring that their attack on the US was so successful that it destroyed the Constitution for a measurable area around the WTC.

    I take it you’re also in favor of removing the mosque from the Pentagon, as wherever al-Qaida struck, their power was such you think the US Constitution is destroyed.

    Declaring American Muslims to be second-class citizens, not entitled to the same Constitutional rights as any other American, is a wonderful recruitment tool for al-Qaeda. You really want to please them that much?

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 06:32

  6. Umm, it’s not a Constitutional issue (but you already knew that), as nobody is being denied their legal right to build there. It’s a Muslims and Liberals once again proving by their uncaring and insensitive actions just how culturally alien they are to America, and the people are starting to wake up to it like never before. Which is a plus to all this mosque hoopla, as far as I’m concerned, because that’s something of which the American people are becoming more aware by the day. You call it reducing Muslim to second-class citizens, I call it expecting Muslims to behave like good neighbors. It’s the kind of sensitivity we expect of all Americans, and Muslims are not exempt.

    As far as Al-Qaida is concerned, I thought I already made myself clear– I simply don’t care.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 07:33

  7. Umm, it’s not a Constitutional issue

    Of course it’s a Constitutional issue. The opponents of the Cordoba Center have made it a Constitutional issue by claiming that two blocks from where the WTC used to be is “holy ground” to Christian Americans, and therefore no Muslim community center can be built there without OUTRAAAAAAAAAAGING the religious sensibilities of the devout.

    To which the US Constitution, in more formal language, says “too bad, louts: this is America”.

    The kind of uncaring and insenstive action by those who oppose the Cordoba Center is profoundly alien to America. It demonstrates how out of touch the conservative Christian Right is to real Americans, who understand that in the US, freedom is not restricted to one religion, and no religion is given supremacy over others.

    As far as Al-Qaida is concerned, I thought I already made myself clear– I simply don’t care.

    So you’re happy to promote al-Qaida’s ideas because you “don’t care” that you’re supporting them? Interesting.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 08:46

  8. There is no lawsuit to compel them and there is no government action on the matter. So no, it’s not a Constitutional issue. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 09:56

  9. There is no lawsuit to compel them and there is no government action on the matter. So no, it’s not a Constitutional issue. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact.

    Cool, so you support their right to build the Cordoba Center there. Maybe, if you don’t want to look like a raving al-Qaida recruitment agency (which, right now, you do) you should make a post saying just that: they have a perfect right to build their Center there, which all Americans should support.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 10:05

  10. Yes, I support their legal *right* to build it there. And you won’t find anybody on my side saying otherwise.

    So let’s talk about instead what’s really issue– the wisdom of building it there. We might disagree on that as well, but at least we won’t be arguing about strawman arguments like the constitutional one.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 10:26

  11. Yes, I support their legal *right* to build it there. And you won’t find anybody on my side saying otherwise.

    Haven’t seen anyone on your side saying that anywhere, in public, at all. Including you.

    So let’s talk about instead what’s really issue

    Sure. Why is it that you’re unwilling – scared, I’d say! – to write a post without caveats or anti-Muslim insults saying that you absolutely support their legal and Constitutional right to build the Cordoba Center at Park51, regardless of what anyone’s saying?

    You won’t because you’re scared of the flack you’ll get from your “own side”. That’s the real issue.

    the wisdom of building it there.

    Unwise for a passionate al-Qaida supporter like yourself: wise for everyone who opposes extremism. That’s it in a nutshell.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 11:21

  12. I’ve already stated on several occasions before you showed up that I agree Muslamics have a legal right to build there.

    But if you don’t believe I really support their legal right, then how bout you try and prove it! Give it your best shot.

    So no, the Constitution is not an issue where Cordoba is concerned. It’s just a Lefty talking point.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 12:31

  13. I’ve already stated on several occasions before you showed up that I agree Muslamics have a legal right to build there.

    (a) Don’t believe you: you haven’t provided links. (b) I note the use of “Muslamics” – I said you would be too scared to say so in public without caveats or anti-Islamic abuse. And I was right: you are too scared of what your “own side” would do to you.

    But if you don’t believe I really support their legal right, then how bout you try and prove it!

    Of course I don’t believe it. If you actually had written such a post, without anti-Muslim abuse or caveats claiming you think it would be “wiser” to support al-Qaida rather than the moderate Muslim majority, you would link to it. You haven’t, so you’re probably lying.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 12:37

  14. I’m not at all troubled that you don’t believe me. I’m not here to convince you! lol Now go away.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 12:39

  15. I guess that’s the only strategy you have left: pretend you realio trulio COULD link to these non-existent posts, you just don’t WANNA. Aw.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 12:48

  16. Good grief, you are so juvenile. How old are you? lol Here’s a post ON THE FRONT PAGE of this blog that affirms their legal/constitutional right:

    “…nobody is denying those Muslims their constitutional right to do anything. Our objections are purely moral.”

    https://countercultureconservative.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/obama-votes-present-on-ground-zero-mega-mosque/

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 12:55

  17. Here’s a post ON THE FRONT PAGE of this blog that affirms their legal/constitutional right:

    So you were lying.

    You never have posted saying, without caveats or anti-Muslim abuse, that you support their right to build the Cordoba Center at Park51.

    Thought not. Too scared.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 13:40

  18. >>>You never have posted saying, without caveats or anti-Muslim abuse, that you support their right to build the Cordoba Center at Park51.

    Except I never said anything about “caveats.” That was your own little, well “caveat”, not mine! I said I supported their Constitutional rights to build. And I proved to you that I did!

    You, on the other hand, have yet to prove a single thing! All we get from you is self-serving conjecture with no evidence or facts to back them up, just intellectually dishonest attempts to score points.

    But that’s what fun about the whole blog thing, isn’t it? LOL.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 14:07

  19. I said I supported their Constitutional rights to build.

    And I pointed out – and I was right! – that you were afraid to say so, in public, without caveats or anti-Muslim abuse.

    You, on the other hand, have yet to prove a single thing!

    I just proved you’re scared of standing up for (what you claim) you believe in.

    Now, shall we move on to discuss why you think it wiser to side with al-Qaida?

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 14:10

  20. So in other words, you didn’t have a leg to stand on with the constitutional issue, so you decided to personalize it and make it about me being a “liar”. Tee hee hee!

    All you’ve done is expose how badly the Left is losing on this issue. Congrats.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 16:25

  21. So in other words, you didn’t have a leg to stand on with the constitutional issue

    Oh dear. What a muddled thinker you are. You admitted yourself it’s a Constitutional issue. Any attempt – any attempt to stop the community center at Park51 being built on the grounds of religion, would be unAmerican and anti-Constitutional. You acknowledged this yourself.

    That you can’t win this argument and are therefore reduced to lying about it is, well, just typical of so many muddle-headed Americans who get their ideas from Fox News and their “politics”, such as they are, from the Republican Party.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 23, 2010 @ 18:37

  22. I’ve acknowledged no such thing! lol

    But continue your personal demonization tactics. Fair-minded readers will draw their own conclusions.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 23, 2010 @ 18:43

  23. I’ve acknowledged no such thing!

    Anyone reading down the thread can see you did. *shrug*

    Comment by jesurgislac — August 24, 2010 @ 02:48


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