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August 19, 2010

The New Tolerance: Highway Crosses are unconstitutional

Separation of Church and society

From one side of their mouth Libs invoke platitudes about “freedom of religion” when it comes to the Ground Zero mosque (even though nobody is denying Muslims the right to build it there), and from the other side they deny you those very same religious freedoms.  These are the people lecturing us about tolerance and reconciliation.

Washington (CNN)Memorial crosses erected along Utah public roads to honor fallen state highway troopers have been found unconstitutional by a federal appeals court.  A three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that the 14 large crosses would be viewed by most passing motorists as “government’s endorsement of Christianity.”

“We hold that these memorials have the impermissible effect of conveying to the reasonable observer the message that the state prefers or otherwise endorses a certain religion,” concluded the Denver, Colorado-based court. The state of Utah and a private trooper association have the option of appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A Texas-based group, American Atheists, successfully sued five years ago to have the nonprofit memorial project scrapped, and the crosses removed from public property.  At issue was whether the crosses violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution, by having the government endorsing the Christian symbols, even if indirectly.

The Utah Highway Patrol Association in 1998 began erecting the monuments, which contain the fallen trooper’s name, rank, and badge number. A picture of the officer and some biographical information is included on a separate plaque placed where the two bars of the cross meet. The state insignia is also included, which the judges in particular raised with constitutional concerns.

The service group said their main message was not religious in nature, but among other things, to serve as “a lasting reminder to UHPA members and Utah highway patrol troopers that a fellow trooper gave his life in service to this state” and to “encourage safe conduct on the highways.”

While placed on public land and with the state’s permission, the crosses themselves are privately owned and maintained. The state expressly noted it “neither approves or disapproves of the memorial marker.”



  1. If this is what free speech means in America then for the first time ever I’m glad Britain isn’t hidebound by a written constitution.

    Comment by Peter Reynolds — August 19, 2010 @ 15:45

  2. We’re hidebound by Leftism, not the Constitution. And Britain’s even worse.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 19, 2010 @ 15:50

  3. So you agree with the ad?

    Comment by Peter Reynolds — August 19, 2010 @ 16:03

  4. Is that a rhetorical question? lol

    Comment by Jesusland — August 19, 2010 @ 16:13

  5. The best argument I heard was that if this proceeds, subject to normal planning controls, it is the best possible proof of the wonderful values enshrined in the US constitution. It is a demonstration of America’s strength. Only cowards and hypocrites will oppose it.

    Mind you, I think the Islamic activists behind this are stupid and they demean their own beliefs by their provocation.

    Comment by Peter Reynolds — August 19, 2010 @ 16:20

  6. I think foreigners like you are having some difficulty understanding the issue. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Constitution, as nobody is denying them their constitutional right to build it there. We are simply saying these Muslamics are stupid, and demeaning their own beliefs by their own provocation.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 19, 2010 @ 16:29

  7. Well you nicked that particularly good phrase of mine so I think we can say we’re in agreement!


    Comment by Peter Reynolds — August 19, 2010 @ 16:41

  8. Pretty much!

    Comment by Jesusland — August 19, 2010 @ 16:45

  9. “Why are there atheists?” = “Why is there evil?”
    The interesting question is which souls can be saved?

    Comment by Thorvald — August 19, 2010 @ 22:50

  10. You guys are both idiots. This entire article as well a the dialogue between the two of you (which I suspect is really just one person using two account names) is nothing but a steaming pile of shit designed to create animosity between people of different cultural and ethnic beliefs. So whether this article is really for or against postmodernist idiots is irrelevant. Postmodernism is sheer madness and will ultimately fall on it’s very stupid face. Whoever thought postmodernism realistically had a chance is pretty fucking stupid, because they’re not realistically considering all the logistics of what a transition to postmodernism would require. Jesus Christ IS the ONLY way, the ONLY truth. Christ made this universe, he RUNS it and whether you believe that or not has absolutely NO bearing at all. Believing or not believing merely makes the difference between what happens to you now and later. God is Jesus and Jesus is God. IT has been around a hell of a lot longer than us and it’s gonna be around forever. It’s survived AT LEAST 6 thousand years of mankind and anyone that thinks postmodern bullshit is gonna silence THE LORD GOD of HEAVEN and EARTH is seriously deluded and should consider seeking professional counseling.

    Comment by ghekko — August 24, 2010 @ 15:20

  11. Well take this for a bunch of fives then Ghekko! (what’s that, a lizard with pretensions?)

    This is what the church is:

    Comment by Peter Reynolds — August 24, 2010 @ 15:50

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