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August 23, 2010

GZ Mosque Imam: U.S. Worse than Al-Qaida

The Reconciler: Imam Rauf

The U.S. has more blood on its hands than Al-Qaida, says the Ground Zero Mosque iman.  Let the reconciliation begin.

New audio has surfaced of the imam behind the controversial mosque near Ground Zero allegedly telling an audience overseas that the United States has been far more deadly than al-Qaeda. “We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims,” Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries.

“What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world.” The audio was uncovered by blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.

Audio here.

Boy, these “moderate Muslims” just bleed red, white, and blue don’t they?  This is the kind of relativist garbage the internationalist, citizen-of-the-world Left laps up and then wonder why you question their patriotism.



  1. The US killed over a million people in Iraq this war. No one can be sure how many people the US killed in Afghanistan, but… yeah, the US has more blood on its hands than al-Qaeda. That’s just a statement of fact. Lying about it is not the way to reconcilation. Expecting other more honest people to lie about it is not going to reconcile anyone to the facts either.

    This is the kind of relativist garbage the internationalist, citizen-of-the-world Left laps up and then wonder why you question their patriotism.

    Interesting to see how unAmerican right-wingers get as soon as anyone they don’t like exercises their right of free speech. It’s mandated by the Declaration of Independence that Americans must question and challenge their gov’t: right-wingers tend to mindless loyalty whenever a Republican is in power and call that “Patriotism”, just as they call their equally mindless challenges of a Democrat in power “patriotism”. Right-wingers don’t really have patriotism, they have party loyalty, as their attacks on national security for Republican electoral purposes demonstrate.

    The community center will be built at Park51, by the way. The nearest mosque to Ground Zero is three blocks away: the Cordoba Center isn’t planned to be a mosque. It’s getting the details accurate that makes a person convincing.

    Comment by jesurgislac — August 24, 2010 @ 02:54

  2. Your numbers are phony and so are your straw men. The Lancet study has already been soundly debunked and the only ones trying to stifle free speech are the PC Left.

    ps, we are unapologeticaly patriotic around here, while you are unapologeticaly anti-American. That’s not even a judgment, just a statement of fact. What America does not need is more anti-American imams preaching from their recruitment centers.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 24, 2010 @ 08:35

  3. The Lancet study has already been soundly debunked

    Nope. The second organization to do a survey in Iraq on numbers of people killed confirmed the Lancet study.

    All attacks on the Lancet study’s numbers were political, not scientific.

    we are unapologeticaly patriotic around here

    Nope; you’re unapologetically treacherous and anti-American, in your consistent attacks on national security, on the Constitution, and on your fellow Americans. Just the facts. The notion that you could think that your belief the Constitution doesn’t apply in areas where al-Qaeda attacked, or that attacking your fellow Americans for their religious beliefs, or that supporting al-Qaeda’s recruitment activities, all of which you do, could possibly make you “patriotic” is completely ridiculous.

    Comment by Jesurgislac — August 25, 2010 @ 01:08

  4. That’s curious, the World Health Organization says otherwise. Most of these killed by Muslim car bombers, of course.

    Comment by Jesusland — August 25, 2010 @ 10:34

  5. Actually, that’s the figures from reports and a survey provided by the Iraqi government. Unlike the Lancet and the Orb survey, those figures and the methodology have not been examined with anything like the rigor of the Lancet and the ORB study. However, the timespan of the study is just over 3 years and the figures mention violent deaths (of course not specifying “Muslim car bombers” – that’s your own invention). No information is provided as to how the household were invited to define “violent death” – does this include the women and children killed when the houses fell on them when the US fired missiles and dropped cluster bombs, as the other two independent studies would have included those casualties? The Lancet study confirmed from the start that the majority of those killed by US attacks in the early months of the invasion during aerial bombing and missile raids, were, as one would expect, women and children.

    We also know that the Iraqi government health survey omitted some areas as unsafe/too violent – we don’t know which, or how many, or how they allowed for that influence. We do know that the Lancet cluster-sampling survey had to omit the casualties from Fallujah, as an outlier.

    Both the independent studies done of casualties in Iraq, the Lancet and the ORB study, confirm casualties over well over one million.

    Those results are “controversial” only because they are unacceptable to supporters of the war.

    Comment by jesurgislac — August 26, 2010 @ 06:40

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